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Post by arealist on Jun 19, 2014 12:16:23 GMT
Bryan, we all know the rules, the interpretation of them is not this issue. In this situation surely, we one party approaches his opponent and they agree to play at a later date before the next round, there is no issue. That agreement affects the competition in no way.
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Post by Bryan on Jun 19, 2014 13:00:32 GMT
IF they agreed to play it later, it could only be with ther Competition Secretary's blessing - which in this case was not given. As I said before - there have been several cases of this situation in past years and they have all ended up the same way... play it on or BEFORE the date.... or at least one of the two involved is out!
An opponent is NOT obliged to bring a game forward, but out of courtesy and fair play may decide to do so. They certainly CANNOT agree to play OUTSIDE the date without relevant permission - otherwise the players take the law (rules) into their own hands and dictate how the competition is run! I have also been a victim of this ruling, and it really upset me, but at the end of the day if dates are set by the powers that be... it's up to the players to respect those dates! The only way I see around this in future MIGHT be to give dates UP TO the last round and then have a final cut off date (say first Friday in July) for ALL ties to be completed - the big problem withn that is that if players cannot agree a date within that time.. where do you go from there? It makes sense to have a date to play on for competitors and people then know exactly where they stand. I know of at least one individual this year who did not enter PGL Singles competition because they would be unavailable for the IRISH Finals day..... you might say that is going overboard... but the bottom line i'm sure wasa that this player/players would have entered the competitions WANTING to be in an Irish Final.. he/they did not want to risk getting there and then disrespecting histheir opponents up to that time by not being able to play in the Final!
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Post by spark11 on Jun 19, 2014 13:21:19 GMT
Just to let it be known I in know way feel aggrieved about the decision that's been made, rules are rules for a reason, and of course the decision is the right one...but if you care to read what had been said I was purely trying to make the point that on a wider scale surely something like simon's situation is indeed exceptional circumstances and potentially some flexibility needs to be allowed. Now a few things need to be brought into perspective here, firstly as it was only my second entrance into a pgl singles competition it may well be clear to the majority of people when ties etc should be played but it was something I was "naively" unaware so this surely can not be held against me. The point made was, surely if we are trying to encourage people to partake and continue to play this game, an example like Simon's is not one that portrays bowls in a good light. Secondly to Bryan "a tentative acceptance," I can assure you, that you should not be speculating to what has been said between 2 people if you where not there, Darren had been nothing but extremely helpful in this situation and I'd like to thank him for that. The point was made, that I should have said to Terry before our match that if I win this match and the dates cannot be rearranged then he should go through, and in hindsight this is what I should have done, so for that point sorry Terry, but as i already said, as a relative novice to the game I didn't realise how that worked. Bryan In no way should you mentioning specific clubs as to vote members on to certain committees as a host of this forum you should respectively keep those options to yourself. Now finally this need not to be drawn into some prolonged debate over who is right and wrong but my post was intended simply to open the question that surely common sense can be used in certain circumstances?
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Post by thegovner on Jun 19, 2014 14:01:59 GMT
Bryan, we all know the rules, the interpretation of them is not this issue. In this situation surely, we one party approaches his opponent and they agree to play at a later date before the next round, there is no issue. That agreement affects the competition in no way. Not this year !! |
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Post by holland1978 on Jun 19, 2014 14:30:58 GMT
I Personally think that the PGL COMMITTEE, should have let Mark McKenna, put his singles tie back, Darren Witherspoon, as an earlier post stated, Darren had agreed to play the tie after the date when Mark returned from holiday, a few years back in the PGL TRIPLES, I was with triple, played our match after the set quarter final date, because our opponents had put there tie back, we were contacted by the PGL COMPETITONS SECRETARY, and we were asked if we could play after the allocated date, as far as we were concerned the was no problem, so if MARK AND DARREN, agreed to play there match after the allocated date were is the problem is singles tie. The PGL want to take a VERY HARD LOOK AT THEMSELVES, and say this 2014 and not 1921, and move on.
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Post by Bryan on Jun 19, 2014 14:31:01 GMT
Mark. I'm NOT criticising you in ANY way at all- I have simply tried to make the point that rules are there for a reason and as there is NOTHING in our PGL rules about "exceptional circumstances" it makes it EXTREMELY difficult to have much flexibility in those rules. It's just perhaps a pity, as you said, thast you didn't contact Davy a while ago when you knew you were on holidays for clarification - but I accept if you havent enetered the competions until recently you probably wouldnt have thought of doing that. It's just a pity we wont have a "final" in that section - but nothing can be done about that now!
I have been speaking to your opponent and I do know that he was willing to play you if it were possible BUT NOT without the blessing of the Competition Secreatary - that is a FACT - and I know IF the rules had allowed, he would have tried his best to sort something for the two of you.
I don't understand your point about voting on certain committees - I never mentioned anything to do with that - what I have clearly stated is that if Cliftonville (OR ANY OTHER CLUB) want to change the rules if their players feel aggrieved or they are unfair (one of your members for example says he wont enter the competitions again!) they should propose a notice of motion and bring it to be voted on by ALL the Clubs at the Annual General Meeting. How is this in any way seen to be something against Cliftonvile? I'm only stating that a NOM is the ONLY way to CHANGE rules if some of your players/members think they need changed - that is the right of ANY Club to do.
I agree common sense has to be used in certain situations, but when there are cast iron rules, this is not always the easiest thing to do! Enjoy your holiday Mark - next year I genuinely hope you get to the same stage and can go on to complete and compete in the Final stages. Well done this year in getting that far - it has beeen a real achievement - congratulations - and comiserations - but as I say.... enjoy your holiday - everyone deserves that! 
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Post by happyjack on Jun 19, 2014 14:50:32 GMT
Bryan have you realised what day it is?. Where is your pov, though this is also good reading
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Post by Bryan on Jun 19, 2014 14:56:15 GMT
yea - its ALMOST finished - been busy all week so only getting at it today... hopefully online soon!
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Post by spark11 on Jun 19, 2014 15:02:30 GMT
I do agree with the majority of things being said and thank you Brian I will enjoy my holiday. #anycheapflightshomemonday
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Post by chrisallan on Jun 19, 2014 15:36:54 GMT
I have been on both sides in respect to this scenario and the answer is quite obvious.
If you enter any competition knowing your going to be on holiday irrespective of it being a first round or final there should be no expectancy to be facilitated by either the opponent or the Pgl.
I gave a walk over to my opponent in the singles (3rd round) a number of years ago because I had just decided to book a holiday and wouldn't be available for the semi or final had a I got there. How would it have been fair to win your way through and deprive someone of an opportunity?
In 1997/1998 I received a walk over into the final of their U25s due to my opponent not being able to play as they were on holiday. They actually expected me to take time off work and miss out on the opportunity to play in my first Pgl Semis night because of it.
If someone is genuinely ill or has a family reason Ofcourse some effort should be made otherwise you can't have your cake and eat it!!!!
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Post by holland1978 on Jun 19, 2014 16:12:23 GMT
HI Anyone know when the IBA SENIOR CUP GAME between NICS AND COOKSTOWN, will be played?
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Post by derek on Jun 19, 2014 16:29:30 GMT
NICS v Cookstown being played this Saturday
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Post by enigma on Jun 19, 2014 16:43:48 GMT
I have already had a post censored today which I strongly object to, so I will ask one simple question which hopefully will be published on what I thought was a democratic open form, so my question is.
CAN ANYONE ADVISE IF THEY KONOW OF A 2014 PAIRS TIE BEING PLAYED AFTER THE DATE, PERHAPS THE PLAYERS INVOLVED COULD SHED SOME LIGHT.
THEN IF TRUE COULD THE PGL OFFICIALS ADVISE WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE.
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Post by holland1978 on Jun 19, 2014 16:54:58 GMT
That's a strange one, everybody else played there rearranged game, last Saturday, the next round is Saturday, is the rules being bent or broken hear. by rights of the rules both teams NICS and COOKSTOWN should be thrown out of IBA CUP, UNLESS THERE WAS AN ACCEPTABLE EXCUSE.
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Post by Bryan on Jun 19, 2014 18:04:14 GMT
Holland- from what I understand the IBA wanted the match played on a Saturday and not midweek. Last Saturday as far as I know - there was a big band contest on near the green making the green inaccessible (or maybe too noisy!) Nics and cookstown are now playing THIS Saturday and the next round against Dunbarton is to be organised ASAP/ good luck with that with internationals and all the other events on! Both teams were bound by IBA wishes so neither will certainly get thrown out!
Nics who seemed to have a free Saturday last weekend them sensibly changed their home league game with Shorts to the Shorts venue so as not to waste the afternoon.
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